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Gopher Wrestling: 2016 Wrap-up and Future discussion

The NCAA DI Wrestling Championships finished up last weekend...and with the I Mar/Nolf and Gwiazdowski/Snyder headline matches providing lots of excitement, many people think it was one of the best Finals events ever!!

With all of this excitement at the Natty Championships and with College Wrestling on a big rise in popularity, our Gopher Wrestling program had it's weakest year in many, many years.

As most of you know, we had two All Americans - Brett Pfarr at 197 and Michael Kroells at Hwt. and we took 17th place in the team race with 26 points. While Pfarr and Kroells had very good years, it was a very disappointing year for most of us who are used to having the program in the Top 5 every year.

We have had quite a bit of discussion on the board about why this year was so weak. I still feel strongly that it's a recruiting problem that happened in 2011 and 2012 when several high level recruits came in that just didn't pan out. This left us in an extra weak position this year with no elite level senior starters and no senior AAs. Considering what we had to work with, and with several large holes in our lineup at 125,133,165, and 184, in some ways we performed pretty well for the year. Highlights were:

- We took 3rd in the Cliff Keen Invitational
- we lost 20-17 to a tough #3 OK State
- we upset #8 Rutgers
- we upset #14 ISU
- some significant improvement by Jake Short (at times)
- a good (but not great) year for RS Freshman Tommy Thorn

Other parts of the year were more painful including:

- a very ugly 34-6 loss to archrival IA
- Our weakest weights 125,133, and 184 got even weaker as the year went on
- only two AAs (when others like Thorn, Kingsley and even Short had a chance)
- except for BP and MK, real technical weaknesses across the line-up, especially on their feet.

Even J Rob was shocked and disappointed by our poor showing at the NCAAs, when he said after Day 1, "Today was pretty much the way the season's been. It's been challenging," said head coach J Robinson. "We're not wrestling our style. We're not wrestling our pace. When you get to tournaments like this, it costs you. That's just the way it is. It's something we have to take match by match and day by day. We'll do as well as we can here and then, when we get home, we'll have to fix some stuff."

And again after our wrestlers were done on the last day, "We brought five guys to the tournament and we had two All-Americans. You have to be grateful you got those two All-Americans," said head coach J Robinson. "But then you have to reflect on where we are and what we need to do. Obviously, we have a long way to go. We have to go back and we're going to have to change some things. It'll be an interesting spring."

Most sources that follow the Gopher Wrestlers think that J is alluding to the really bad technical weaknesses we showed all year and at tournament time. Guys practiced their takedowns all year, as well as other mat moves, but much of the time they were too timid to act, or even moreso, if they did...THEY DIDN'T FINISH!!! Tommy Thorn could easily have been almost unbeaten this year if he just finished his shots. And in the tournament, he lost twice in matches where if he just finishes one more move, he wins. He had #3 Kevin Jack's (NC) leg way up in the air twice and couldn't execute a simple mat return (for a 2 point takedown). I'm sure Tommy had plans to be a 4x AA as a Gopher...now he'll have 6 months to think about whether he wants to fix that problem so he can be a winner next year!!

As an aside to this point, we weren't the only team that underperformed at the Nattys. The posters on the IA Rivals Wrestling Forum are having a tough time swallowing a performance where all 9 Hawkeye wrestlers lost their last match at the Nattys and on the last day their wrestlers got only one takedown in 7 matches!! They still like Tom and Terry (TNT) over there, but have a lot of questions about technical abilities, getting new asst. coaches, and changing the attitude of the individual wrestlers from grumpy/fearful/dour to having more fun...like they do at Penn State.

I feel so sorry for Hawkeye Wrestling's problems...it brought tears (of joy) to my eyes while I was reading all of this!!

So back to Gopher Wrestling. We got 26 points at Nattys with 2 AAs and with improvement by Short and Thorn next year, plus several elite redshirt recruits coming into the lineup, we should be in a lot better shape next year. Here is what next year's lineup might look like:

2016-17

125 Lizak - Fargo AA RS Soph.
133 Brancale RS Sr./ Polakowski RS Soph. , Petry RS Soph., McKee - Fargo Champ FR
141 Tommy Thorn - Fargo Champ RS Soph.
149 Stroker RS FR - Fargo Champ/ Short Fargo AA RS JR
157 Short - Fargo AA RS JR/Kingsley RS SR, Larry Early - Fargo Champ RS FR
165 Larry Early - Fargo Champ RS FR/ Krone RS Soph
174 Nick Wanzek - Fargo AA RS JR
184 Bobby Steveson - Fargo Champ RS FR
197 Brett Pfarr - Fargo AA RS SR
285 M K - Fargo AA RS SR

Some observations:

- Lizak was 2-2 at Nattys as a true Freshman and he crushed it this year as a redshirt winning 3 tournaments. He's always been a hammer on top, and has improved on his feet and will a big winner next year
- 133 will still be our weakest weight, unless SB, SP, SP get significantly better. McKee should redshirt, but could be a big winner in the lineup if he was in there.
- Thorn will pick it up a level or two and will AA, start to compete for a natty.
- Stroker killed it this year winning three tournaments. He's also wrestled 157, but he is too small for that weight so he should be at 149. Short may still want to be at 149, but that could leave a hole at 165. Short is very strong for 149, but is not very tall for 157. Short should improve quite a bit next year.
- 157/165 not sure how this settles out depending on who grows and how much weight these guys can cut. Larry Early is ready to go, but if he can get down to 157 he might be better
- Wanzek should get better next year...maybe still not AA until he's a Senior.
184 Bobby Steveson won several tournaments and is a killer...if he can hold that weight (he'll be at 197 later on), he will be a big plus here!!
197 If J'den Cox (MO) goes to Hwt, then Pfarr is #1 and a Natty Champ. Otherwise, he is #2 with a shot at a Natty.
285 Kroells is a top 5 Hwt.

This is top #7-10 lineup, and with another elite recruiting class coming in, it gets better in 2017-18. And if we can get All World Soph. 220 lb. Gable Steveson to commit, we could be top 3 for 2018-19. Gable is leaning our way now along with 120 lb. elite Soph. friend Roman Bravo-Young. So it could be looking pretty good the next few years!

I know some of you think JRob has gotten stale and should be replaced. J is a legend (like Coach Anderson in Baseball) and you just don't replace someone like that. Our program bottomed out this year and we have two elite recruiting classes coming in, with a good possibility of a third one too. J is 69 and I think he wants 2-3 more years, then he will hang it up. Damion Hahn is sitting out there...ready for the picking. And if he brought in Kyle Dake as "Asst. Head Coach" and got him out there recruiting the elite wrestlers and helping train international wrestlers for the MN Storm Wrestling Club, that might be a winning team.

Eggum, Becker and company still have a shot for the next couple years, but they will have to do better than they have been doing lately. I think we have been pushed around too much (we haven't been as "Gopher Tough" as we need to be!!), have been technically weak (as stated above), and have still not recruited enough elite (non MN) wrestlers. Why should we be satisfied with picking up 3 or 4 top 50 wrestlers, with maybe 1 or 2 in the top #10-25...while PSU, IA and OK State get the top #1-5 wrestlers?? Eggum, Becker, Ness, and Schlatter need to get out and recruit big time...or THEY WILL BE GONE!!!

Unless we get more outstate elite (Top 10) recruits, we will still not be able to challenge:

1. Cael, Cody and PSU
2. TNT and Ryan Morningstar (a big recruiter) and IA
3. John Smith and OK State
4. Tom Ryan and OSU
5. Rob Koll, Damion Hahn and Cornell
6. Brian Kelly at MO has been a Top 5 program for several years
7. NC State and VA Tech programs on a big rise

These are my thoughts, so let's hear it...what are yours??? I know some of you must be disagreeing with me as many of you have quit posting to my threads. While I have strong opinions, and I always think I'm right...you are welcome to post and tell me that you think I'm way off base. I've been aiming to get some good discussion going on GI about Gopher Wrestling for a long time.

So here's your chance...what do you have to say??


Go Gopher Wrestling!!
With or without J, Brandon, Luke, etc., ...right back TO THE TOP!!

...As Nothing Less is Acceptable!!!

Analysis of the Top-20 FB teams' recruiting

Here are the Top-20 teams in the 2016 Final AP College Football Poll that are not 100% commonly known for powerhouse recruiting....and their recruiting class ranking for 2012-2015:


#3 Stanford - 5, 63, 14, 18

#7 TCU - 37, 30, 50, 34

#8 Houston - 59, 50, 77, 89

#9 Iowa - 43, 55, 62, 59

#13 Baylor - 45, 31, 35, 43

#15 North Carolina - 44, 42, 23, 28

#17 Utah - 28, 44, 66, 42

#18 Navy - 86, 95, not in top-100, not in top-100

#20 Oklahoma State - 32, 36, 27, 38


Analysis: Obviously Houston and Navy are irrelevant to this topic. Houston beat Florida State in their Bowl....but that was the only good team they played all year. Iowa had an extremely favorable schedule....before getting destroyed in their Bowl. TCU's 2011 class was ranked #26....which might explain why they were so good last year. Baylor was #46 in 2011 though.

Conclusion: Recruiting matches how good a team is. Of the Top-20 teams....the only indication you can win big without great recruiting is the example of TCU and Baylor. There's a tiny chance to sneak into the Top-10 with recruiting ranked #30-40. Claeys really better step-it-up!! Unfortunately, I predict a setback. I predict MN recruiting to be ranked in the 60's.

Matt Thomas

Watching Matt Thomas often makes me a bit salty. Love him as a player and when he was a recruit.

Matt wanted to be a Gopher. Came on two unofficial visits before his senior year both times wearing Gopher gear with his family. Has family in the Twin Cities and wanted to live close to home (La Crosse I think) and be in this metro area.

Tubby offered him late. Tubby didn't show much interest in him at all really or at least didn't put much effort in. Matt was patient with them though. Was interested to see how much interest the Gophers would show in the open period that spring. All the teams on him were there on night one at Hopkins for the NY2LA event with head coaches, some also with assistants. They were playing a young Rashad Vaughn. Many Gopher fans went to watch it. And many Gopher fans noticed no Tubby. And they also noticed not a single Gopher coach was there watching until Saul Smith showed up with a hat deep over his eyes wearing clothes that were likely meant for his going out after the games.

They could of had him in that 2013 class with any type of effort. Instead they got Foster and Ellis who ended up not coming. Matt went to the next closest place, Iowa State.

I will never forget this. It blew me away. Effort was terrible.

3.26. Spring Football Recaps

All can be found on the main page.

Running backs flourishing in new offensive scheme https://minnesota.n.rivals.com/news/spring-football-rb-s-like-new-offensive-system

5 items to take away from Saturday's practice w/video of Claeys talking to the media https://minnesota.n.rivals.com/news/5-things-we-learned-from-saturday-s-spring-practice

Video: Mitch Leidner's first spring football interview with media https://minnesota.n.rivals.com/news/video-catching-up-with-mitch-leidner

About 15 high schoolers were in attendance, all will possibly attend summer camp. Blaise Andries and Eric Abojei were only players there with offers.

Good Coaching in NCAA Tournament

So obvious. Duke is undermanned and gives every ounce. Syracuse is a 10 seed, no f*cks given. Drunken Sconnies still living off the Grinch set the game back 100 years but by god they make tourney runs every year. Dopie, take some notes. No chance in hell drunken Sconnies have more athletes than Jrs guys but Jr. is training on the job. Hope he proves me wrong. Coaching alone can get you 1-2 wins in the Dance if you are a top 50 team on talent.

Duke makes it out of the first weekend....

I guess in the interest of 'being correct'....I rained on STP's parade in his Duke thread last week. But I was thinking....once a year, why not let STP have his fun. What harm is that?

So STP....okay, you can go ahead and tell us what a surprise this is. How Duke is young, or whatever problems they have this year. But how Coach K was able to really coach well and rally the team. How we should really appreciate this. It's okay, you can tell us....

Baseball Sweeps #15 Missouri State

Baseball SWEPT #15 Missouri State today, 12-5 and 7-5.

Terrin Vavra 4/6 in gm 1. Senior Connor Schaefbauer also had 3 hits in the win and is on a hot streak. Riley Smith and Austin Athman homered.


Micah Coffey had another 2 hit game in game two, Schaefbauer, Jordan Smith and Matt Stemper also had two hits.

No errors in 18 innings of baseball.

Young team that really played well this weekend.

Women's softball can sweep Purdue with a win tomorrow.
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